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	<title>Comments on: Author of the chessboard poem in the Spanish LOST promo</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont worry, it also means fourth: 4th position, 1/4 of something...</description>
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		<title>By: Ms Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin. I have a theory that I&#039;ve been mulling over for a while, that Jacob is being punished for some horrible daddy-issue-related crime (perhaps patricide, or killing his own children) which he committed many centuries ago, and that he has been banished to the Island until he atones.  And that the way for him to atone is to be the catalyst that causes a group of people to resolve their own daddy issues and crimes.  And each group he brings doesn&#039;t quite make it, but gets closer -- which explains the &quot;progress&quot; he mentions to Esau -- until our very own group of Lost-ies,  who seem to be quite good at resolving their daddy issues while on the Island. 

I think your Jacob=God theory might be a better fit.  For one thing, it accounts for Jacob being able to leave the Island, which my Jacob=Prisoner theory does not.  But the Jacob=Prisoner theory puts daddy issues at the center of everything, which I think is where they belong.

Maybe the actual resolution of the show will somehow use elements of BOTH theories.  The main Bad Daddy of them all being named Christian Shephard suggests that both themes -- bad daddies and Christ-like sacrifices -- might come together at the end.  

As for the smoke monster, I&#039;ve been thinking that maybe the smoke monster is something that exists in some kind of time hole, where it exists in all different times at once.  So, just as someone moving fast might look like a blur to someone standing still, the smoke monster, which might actually be something solid, looks like smoke to someone who is anchored in a specific time.

I have no opinion on whether the monster might be Nemesis/Esau.  I&#039;ve been thinking, though, that maybe Esau really isn&#039;t a nemesis -- maybe he&#039;s really not Jacob&#039;s enemy.  

Thanks for the interesting discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin. I have a theory that I&#8217;ve been mulling over for a while, that Jacob is being punished for some horrible daddy-issue-related crime (perhaps patricide, or killing his own children) which he committed many centuries ago, and that he has been banished to the Island until he atones.  And that the way for him to atone is to be the catalyst that causes a group of people to resolve their own daddy issues and crimes.  And each group he brings doesn&#8217;t quite make it, but gets closer &#8212; which explains the &#8220;progress&#8221; he mentions to Esau &#8212; until our very own group of Lost-ies,  who seem to be quite good at resolving their daddy issues while on the Island. </p>
<p>I think your Jacob=God theory might be a better fit.  For one thing, it accounts for Jacob being able to leave the Island, which my Jacob=Prisoner theory does not.  But the Jacob=Prisoner theory puts daddy issues at the center of everything, which I think is where they belong.</p>
<p>Maybe the actual resolution of the show will somehow use elements of BOTH theories.  The main Bad Daddy of them all being named Christian Shephard suggests that both themes &#8212; bad daddies and Christ-like sacrifices &#8212; might come together at the end.  </p>
<p>As for the smoke monster, I&#8217;ve been thinking that maybe the smoke monster is something that exists in some kind of time hole, where it exists in all different times at once.  So, just as someone moving fast might look like a blur to someone standing still, the smoke monster, which might actually be something solid, looks like smoke to someone who is anchored in a specific time.</p>
<p>I have no opinion on whether the monster might be Nemesis/Esau.  I&#8217;ve been thinking, though, that maybe Esau really isn&#8217;t a nemesis &#8212; maybe he&#8217;s really not Jacob&#8217;s enemy.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin bass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points Ms Terri. Jacob does have to continue to bring groups of people to the island and they do keep failing but this could be because of human failure and not Jacob&#039;s. If the God = Jacob theory is correct than it is the age old problem of evil where God allows it but could stop it anytime.  I also agree that the Lost story will not turn out to be an explicitly Christian allegory, but Christianity is by far the most referenced and alluded to religion during the first 5 seasons. I hope it will be like The Matrix where Neo is a Christ like figure who dies and rises again to save the world, but there is still enough other philosophies and religions mixed in so it is not as direct.
Do you think that Nemesis/Esau is the Smoke Monster? I think the most compelling argument for this is when Ben summons the Smoke Monster he tells Sun that she better go inside because what is about to come out of the jungle he can&#039;t control. Then Nemesis Locke comes out.  Thanks for insights!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points Ms Terri. Jacob does have to continue to bring groups of people to the island and they do keep failing but this could be because of human failure and not Jacob&#8217;s. If the God = Jacob theory is correct than it is the age old problem of evil where God allows it but could stop it anytime.  I also agree that the Lost story will not turn out to be an explicitly Christian allegory, but Christianity is by far the most referenced and alluded to religion during the first 5 seasons. I hope it will be like The Matrix where Neo is a Christ like figure who dies and rises again to save the world, but there is still enough other philosophies and religions mixed in so it is not as direct.<br />
Do you think that Nemesis/Esau is the Smoke Monster? I think the most compelling argument for this is when Ben summons the Smoke Monster he tells Sun that she better go inside because what is about to come out of the jungle he can&#8217;t control. Then Nemesis Locke comes out.  Thanks for insights!</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great point!  We have been shown explicitly that Esau has limits, because he needs a loophole to do what he wants to do  -- kill Jacob.   We&#039;ve seen no comparably clear-cut limitations placed on Jacob.

But I would say that arguably, at least, Jacob does have limits.  He keeps on bringing different groups to the Island -- and all they do is fight, destroy, and corrupt.   Jacob says this will all work out in the end.  But why does he have to keep on bringing in groups that fail?  If he truly had no limits on his powers, why not just get it done (whatever &quot;it&quot; might turn out to be) right in the first place?

And then, as you bring up, there is the question of Jacob&#039;s death.  (That is, if he is *really* dead.  I guess we&#039;ll have to wait till next season to find that out. ) 

Here&#039;s the thing that most intrigues me about the scene with Jacob and Esau.  When Esau says (in an oddly gentle, apologetic tone, and calling Jacob &quot;my friend&quot;) that one day he will kill Jacob, Jacob doesn&#039;t seem to mind.  It&#039;s such a strange interaction, and raises many questions.

It might suggest, as you say, that Jacob&#039;s death was a Christ-like sacrifice, something Jacob knew was necessary and inevitable.   That would explain why he didn&#039;t seem to mind, in the scene with Esau on the beach.  

My guess -- and this is strictly a hunch -- is that Jacob won&#039;t turn out to be such an explicitly Christ-like figure.  If he were, that would turn the whole LOST story into basically a Christian allegory,  and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s going to happen.   Not that it couldn&#039;t, and not that it wouldn&#039;t make sense, but there are so many different religions and philosophies swirling around in the show that I don&#039;t think that the story is going to end up being primarily about any single one of them.

Thanks, Justin, for the thought-provoking comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great point!  We have been shown explicitly that Esau has limits, because he needs a loophole to do what he wants to do  &#8212; kill Jacob.   We&#8217;ve seen no comparably clear-cut limitations placed on Jacob.</p>
<p>But I would say that arguably, at least, Jacob does have limits.  He keeps on bringing different groups to the Island &#8212; and all they do is fight, destroy, and corrupt.   Jacob says this will all work out in the end.  But why does he have to keep on bringing in groups that fail?  If he truly had no limits on his powers, why not just get it done (whatever &#8220;it&#8221; might turn out to be) right in the first place?</p>
<p>And then, as you bring up, there is the question of Jacob&#8217;s death.  (That is, if he is *really* dead.  I guess we&#8217;ll have to wait till next season to find that out. ) </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing that most intrigues me about the scene with Jacob and Esau.  When Esau says (in an oddly gentle, apologetic tone, and calling Jacob &#8220;my friend&#8221;) that one day he will kill Jacob, Jacob doesn&#8217;t seem to mind.  It&#8217;s such a strange interaction, and raises many questions.</p>
<p>It might suggest, as you say, that Jacob&#8217;s death was a Christ-like sacrifice, something Jacob knew was necessary and inevitable.   That would explain why he didn&#8217;t seem to mind, in the scene with Esau on the beach.  </p>
<p>My guess &#8212; and this is strictly a hunch &#8212; is that Jacob won&#8217;t turn out to be such an explicitly Christ-like figure.  If he were, that would turn the whole LOST story into basically a Christian allegory,  and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to happen.   Not that it couldn&#8217;t, and not that it wouldn&#8217;t make sense, but there are so many different religions and philosophies swirling around in the show that I don&#8217;t think that the story is going to end up being primarily about any single one of them.</p>
<p>Thanks, Justin, for the thought-provoking comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin bass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is accurate to say that Jacob is limited.  There is no evidence yet that Jacob has limits. We know the &quot;nemesis&quot; Esau has limits but not Jacob. Even though Jacob gets killed by Ben, he could have allowed that to happen for a greater purpose, hence Christ&#039;s sacrifice.  This is a great analysis but I think the battle between Jacob and Nemesis is the two great powers over everything and Jacob is clearly the greater power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is accurate to say that Jacob is limited.  There is no evidence yet that Jacob has limits. We know the &#8220;nemesis&#8221; Esau has limits but not Jacob. Even though Jacob gets killed by Ben, he could have allowed that to happen for a greater purpose, hence Christ&#8217;s sacrifice.  This is a great analysis but I think the battle between Jacob and Nemesis is the two great powers over everything and Jacob is clearly the greater power.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Viral K, and yes, all hail the Smoke Monster!  As for goosebumps, I&#039;m thinking/hoping that Season 6 is going to be the goosebumpiest yet.

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Meanwhile, it looks like my 15 minutes of blog fame are starting to wind down.  Many thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/12/01/lost-promo-that-has-lost-fans-and-even-its-producer-buzzing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Doc Jensen&lt;/a&gt; for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Viral K, and yes, all hail the Smoke Monster!  As for goosebumps, I&#8217;m thinking/hoping that Season 6 is going to be the goosebumpiest yet.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Meanwhile, it looks like my 15 minutes of blog fame are starting to wind down.  Many thanks to <a href="http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/12/01/lost-promo-that-has-lost-fans-and-even-its-producer-buzzing/" rel="nofollow"> Doc Jensen</a> for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Viral K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viral K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t a single episode last season that didn&#039;t give me goosebumps when I was watching. The Cuatro Promo has taken the entire mythology of Lost to another level. Hail the Smoke Monster! Great post MS Terri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t a single episode last season that didn&#8217;t give me goosebumps when I was watching. The Cuatro Promo has taken the entire mythology of Lost to another level. Hail the Smoke Monster! Great post MS Terri.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy and Nectaria -- thanks so much.  This was a fun post to write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy and Nectaria &#8212; thanks so much.  This was a fun post to write.</p>
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		<title>By: Nectaria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nectaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx for your wonderful analysis, it is really enlightening !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx for your wonderful analysis, it is really enlightening !</p>
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